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		<title>By: Russell</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Feb 2013 07:11:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[On seeing  the diagram of the Tusi couple, I started to wonder if this is the same principle - KUNDEL Magnetic Coupling Device (http://www.kundelmagnetics.com/) . It has a 2:1 pole ratio, and translates rotation motion into reciprocal motion and vice versa. I am trying to imaging how to represent the magnetic fields as a tusi couple (without success so far).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On seeing  the diagram of the Tusi couple, I started to wonder if this is the same principle &#8211; KUNDEL Magnetic Coupling Device (<a href="http://www.kundelmagnetics.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.kundelmagnetics.com/</a>) . It has a 2:1 pole ratio, and translates rotation motion into reciprocal motion and vice versa. I am trying to imaging how to represent the magnetic fields as a tusi couple (without success so far).</p>
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		<title>By: Rolling Circles and Balls (Part 4) « Azimuth</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rolling Circles and Balls (Part 4) « Azimuth]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jan 2013 00:38:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: John Baez</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John Baez]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2012 18:52:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I guess he&#039;s a physicist!  They have an irksome tendency to get the right answer before mathematicians do, while leaving us to justify all their reasoning.  Paraphrasing Kevin McCrimmon, &quot;the lions get the fresh kill, and they leave the spoils for the hyenas.&quot;

There are some more interesting things to do, however.  For example, there&#039;s a unique probability measure on SU(n) that&#039;s translation-invariant.  This pushes forward via the trace map to a probability measure on the interior of the n-cusped hypocycloid.  This gives the &#039;probability distribution on traces of matrices in SU(n)&#039;.  

The real part or imaginary part of the trace then becomes a real-valued random variable, and we can compute its moments: its mean, its variance, and so on.  There will be a nice combinatorial way to do this.  

The case of SU(3) was discussed on &lt;a href=&quot;http://mathoverflow.net/questions/101587/sato-tate-measure-for-gl3-automorphic-forms/101594#101594&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Mathoverflow&lt;/a&gt; by Qiaochu Yuan.   In this case the moments of &lt;i&gt;twice&lt;/i&gt; the real part of the trace form this sequence:

1, 0, 2, 2, 12, 30, 130, 462, 1946, 7980, 34776, 153120, 694056, 3194334, 14971242, ...

which is sequence &lt;a href=&quot;http://oeis.org/A151366&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;A151366&lt;/a&gt; in the Online Encyclopedia of Integer Sequences.   The nth term here is the number of walks with n steps start and end at the origin and stay within $latex \mathbb{N}^2$ where at each step you either go one step north, south, east, west, northwest or southeast.  In other words, you can move any of these ways:

(-1, 0), (-1, 1), (0, -1), (0, 1), (1, -1), (1, 0)

Qiaochu also works out the moments of the imaginary part of the trace.

So, this just goes to show that there&#039;s a lot of math here...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess he&#8217;s a physicist!  They have an irksome tendency to get the right answer before mathematicians do, while leaving us to justify all their reasoning.  Paraphrasing Kevin McCrimmon, &#8220;the lions get the fresh kill, and they leave the spoils for the hyenas.&#8221;</p>
<p>There are some more interesting things to do, however.  For example, there&#8217;s a unique probability measure on SU(n) that&#8217;s translation-invariant.  This pushes forward via the trace map to a probability measure on the interior of the n-cusped hypocycloid.  This gives the &#8216;probability distribution on traces of matrices in SU(n)&#8217;.  </p>
<p>The real part or imaginary part of the trace then becomes a real-valued random variable, and we can compute its moments: its mean, its variance, and so on.  There will be a nice combinatorial way to do this.  </p>
<p>The case of SU(3) was discussed on <a href="http://mathoverflow.net/questions/101587/sato-tate-measure-for-gl3-automorphic-forms/101594#101594" rel="nofollow">Mathoverflow</a> by Qiaochu Yuan.   In this case the moments of <i>twice</i> the real part of the trace form this sequence:</p>
<p>1, 0, 2, 2, 12, 30, 130, 462, 1946, 7980, 34776, 153120, 694056, 3194334, 14971242, &#8230;</p>
<p>which is sequence <a href="http://oeis.org/A151366" rel="nofollow">A151366</a> in the Online Encyclopedia of Integer Sequences.   The nth term here is the number of walks with n steps start and end at the origin and stay within <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=%5Cmathbb%7BN%7D%5E2&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='&#92;mathbb{N}^2' title='&#92;mathbb{N}^2' class='latex' /> where at each step you either go one step north, south, east, west, northwest or southeast.  In other words, you can move any of these ways:</p>
<p>(-1, 0), (-1, 1), (0, -1), (0, 1), (1, -1), (1, 0)</p>
<p>Qiaochu also works out the moments of the imaginary part of the trace.</p>
<p>So, this just goes to show that there&#8217;s a lot of math here&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Egan</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Egan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2012 08:29:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nice as it is, I think Kaiser&#039;s method for deriving the boundary curve for the SU(n) trace could do with a bit more exposition and justification.  It&#039;s certainly &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; the case that given &lt;i&gt;any&lt;/i&gt; function from the diagonal subgroup of SU(n) to the complex plane you can blithely declare that you&#039;ve set the partial derivatives with respect to n-2 of the phases equal to zero, and then expect that to give you the boundary of the image.  Generically there will be some choice of coordinates where the derivatives on the boundary vanish for all but one coordinate, but for a more general function than the trace that coordinate system need not line up with the phases.

So he&#039;s exploiting a lot of nice symmetries of the problem, but I wish he&#039;d given a more careful account of the things he&#039;s relying on to obtain the result.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice as it is, I think Kaiser&#8217;s method for deriving the boundary curve for the SU(n) trace could do with a bit more exposition and justification.  It&#8217;s certainly <i>not</i> the case that given <i>any</i> function from the diagonal subgroup of SU(n) to the complex plane you can blithely declare that you&#8217;ve set the partial derivatives with respect to n-2 of the phases equal to zero, and then expect that to give you the boundary of the image.  Generically there will be some choice of coordinates where the derivatives on the boundary vanish for all but one coordinate, but for a more general function than the trace that coordinate system need not line up with the phases.</p>
<p>So he&#8217;s exploiting a lot of nice symmetries of the problem, but I wish he&#8217;d given a more careful account of the things he&#8217;s relying on to obtain the result.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Egan</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2012 05:30:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[One thing that impressed me was how Kaiser derives the equation for the hypocycloids as the boundary of the trace figure so easily!  Essentially, he writes the trace for SU(n) as:

$latex \mathrm{Tr} =  z_1+z_2+...+z_{n-1}+\frac{1}{z_1 z_2  ... z_{n-1}}$

and then says that we can find the boundary by eliminating all but one variable with the &quot;zero-derivate conditions&quot;: that the partial derivatives of the trace with respect to $latex z_1, z_2, ... z_{n-2}$ are all zero. 

$latex \partial_{z_j} \mathrm{Tr} = 1 - \frac{1}{z_j (z_1 z_2  ... z_{n-1})} = 0, j=1,2,...,n-2\\
z_1 z_2  ... z_{n-1} = z_j^{-1}, j=1,2,...,n-2$

It follows that the first $latex n-2$ of the $latex z_j$ are equal (say to $latex z_1$), and for the remaining two terms we have:

$latex z_{n-1} = z_1^{-(n-1)}\\
\frac{1}{z_1 z_2  ... z_{n-1}} = z_1$

which lets us write the trace as:

$latex \mathrm{Tr} = (n-1) z_1 + z_1^{-(n-1)}$

For $latex z_1$ a phase this is just the familiar formula for the hypocycloid with n cusps.

It&#039;s worth stressing that in all the discussions we&#039;ve had about the boundary, we&#039;ve set all the independent phases to be equal there, while the final phase -- the product of their reciprocals -- is different, whereas Kaiser ends up with the same overall collection of phases but the last two of them are swapped compared to our scheme.

But why is Kaiser allowed to choose the partial derivates of the trace with respect to $latex z_1, z_2, ... z_{n-2}$ to be zero on the boundary?  He uses this condition without explaining it, but I guess the idea is that we have a compact manifold without boundary of real dimension $latex n-1$ being projected onto the complex plane, and where the manifold projects to the boundary of its shadow the linearised map has to change from having an $latex (n-3)$-dimensional kernel to an $latex (n-2)$-dimensional kernel, so you can choose coordinates there such that $latex n-2$ of the coordinate vectors lie in the kernel.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing that impressed me was how Kaiser derives the equation for the hypocycloids as the boundary of the trace figure so easily!  Essentially, he writes the trace for SU(n) as:</p>
<p><img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=%5Cmathrm%7BTr%7D+%3D++z_1%2Bz_2%2B...%2Bz_%7Bn-1%7D%2B%5Cfrac%7B1%7D%7Bz_1+z_2++...+z_%7Bn-1%7D%7D&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='&#92;mathrm{Tr} =  z_1+z_2+...+z_{n-1}+&#92;frac{1}{z_1 z_2  ... z_{n-1}}' title='&#92;mathrm{Tr} =  z_1+z_2+...+z_{n-1}+&#92;frac{1}{z_1 z_2  ... z_{n-1}}' class='latex' /></p>
<p>and then says that we can find the boundary by eliminating all but one variable with the &#8220;zero-derivate conditions&#8221;: that the partial derivatives of the trace with respect to <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=z_1%2C+z_2%2C+...+z_%7Bn-2%7D&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='z_1, z_2, ... z_{n-2}' title='z_1, z_2, ... z_{n-2}' class='latex' /> are all zero. </p>
<p><img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=%5Cpartial_%7Bz_j%7D+%5Cmathrm%7BTr%7D+%3D+1+-+%5Cfrac%7B1%7D%7Bz_j+%28z_1+z_2++...+z_%7Bn-1%7D%29%7D+%3D+0%2C+j%3D1%2C2%2C...%2Cn-2%5C%5C+z_1+z_2++...+z_%7Bn-1%7D+%3D+z_j%5E%7B-1%7D%2C+j%3D1%2C2%2C...%2Cn-2&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='&#92;partial_{z_j} &#92;mathrm{Tr} = 1 - &#92;frac{1}{z_j (z_1 z_2  ... z_{n-1})} = 0, j=1,2,...,n-2&#92;&#92; z_1 z_2  ... z_{n-1} = z_j^{-1}, j=1,2,...,n-2' title='&#92;partial_{z_j} &#92;mathrm{Tr} = 1 - &#92;frac{1}{z_j (z_1 z_2  ... z_{n-1})} = 0, j=1,2,...,n-2&#92;&#92; z_1 z_2  ... z_{n-1} = z_j^{-1}, j=1,2,...,n-2' class='latex' /></p>
<p>It follows that the first <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=n-2&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='n-2' title='n-2' class='latex' /> of the <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=z_j&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='z_j' title='z_j' class='latex' /> are equal (say to <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=z_1&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='z_1' title='z_1' class='latex' />), and for the remaining two terms we have:</p>
<p><img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=z_%7Bn-1%7D+%3D+z_1%5E%7B-%28n-1%29%7D%5C%5C+%5Cfrac%7B1%7D%7Bz_1+z_2++...+z_%7Bn-1%7D%7D+%3D+z_1&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='z_{n-1} = z_1^{-(n-1)}&#92;&#92; &#92;frac{1}{z_1 z_2  ... z_{n-1}} = z_1' title='z_{n-1} = z_1^{-(n-1)}&#92;&#92; &#92;frac{1}{z_1 z_2  ... z_{n-1}} = z_1' class='latex' /></p>
<p>which lets us write the trace as:</p>
<p><img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=%5Cmathrm%7BTr%7D+%3D+%28n-1%29+z_1+%2B+z_1%5E%7B-%28n-1%29%7D&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='&#92;mathrm{Tr} = (n-1) z_1 + z_1^{-(n-1)}' title='&#92;mathrm{Tr} = (n-1) z_1 + z_1^{-(n-1)}' class='latex' /></p>
<p>For <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=z_1&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='z_1' title='z_1' class='latex' /> a phase this is just the familiar formula for the hypocycloid with n cusps.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s worth stressing that in all the discussions we&#8217;ve had about the boundary, we&#8217;ve set all the independent phases to be equal there, while the final phase &#8212; the product of their reciprocals &#8212; is different, whereas Kaiser ends up with the same overall collection of phases but the last two of them are swapped compared to our scheme.</p>
<p>But why is Kaiser allowed to choose the partial derivates of the trace with respect to <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=z_1%2C+z_2%2C+...+z_%7Bn-2%7D&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='z_1, z_2, ... z_{n-2}' title='z_1, z_2, ... z_{n-2}' class='latex' /> to be zero on the boundary?  He uses this condition without explaining it, but I guess the idea is that we have a compact manifold without boundary of real dimension <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=n-1&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='n-1' title='n-1' class='latex' /> being projected onto the complex plane, and where the manifold projects to the boundary of its shadow the linearised map has to change from having an <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=%28n-3%29&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='(n-3)' title='(n-3)' class='latex' />-dimensional kernel to an <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=%28n-2%29&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='(n-2)' title='(n-2)' class='latex' />-dimensional kernel, so you can choose coordinates there such that <img src='http://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=n-2&amp;bg=ffffff&amp;fg=333333&amp;s=0' alt='n-2' title='n-2' class='latex' /> of the coordinate vectors lie in the kernel.</p>
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		<title>By: John Baez</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John Baez]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Sep 2012 22:59:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I know what you&#039;re asking:

&quot;What about E&lt;sub&gt;7&lt;/sub&gt; and E&lt;sub&gt;8&lt;/sub&gt;?&quot; 

and 

&quot;Why did Kaiser draw pictures for Spin(4n+2) but not other spin groups?&quot;

 The answer can be found here:

&#8226; John Baez, &lt;a href=&quot;http://arxiv.org/abs/1101.5690&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Division algebras and quantum theory&lt;/a&gt;.

The author here recalls that every irreducible representation of a group is either &#039;real&#039;, &#039;complex&#039; or &#039;quaternionic&#039; in a certain sense: this is Dyson&#039;s &#039;three-fold way&#039;.  And he writes:

&lt;blockquote&gt; SU(2) is not the only compact Lie group with the property that all its irreducible continuous unitary representations on complex Hilbert spaces are real or quaternionic. For a group to have this property, it is necessary and sufficient that every element be conjugate to its inverse. All compact simple Lie groups have this property except those of type A&lt;sub&gt;n&lt;/sub&gt; for n &gt; 1, D&lt;sub&gt;n&lt;/sub&gt; with n odd, and E&lt;sub&gt;6&lt;/sub&gt; (see Bourbaki [20]).
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

If a representation of a Lie group is &#039;real&#039;, the trace of any group element in that representation is a real number, so we don&#039;t get a pretty picture of the set of allowed traces: it&#039;s just some interval in the real line.  

If it&#039;s &#039;quaternionic&#039; I bet the trace of any group element is again real.  I don&#039;t see why right off the bat, but I know an example.  The spin-1/2 representation of SU(2) is &#039;quaternionic&#039;, and the trace of an SU(2) element in this representation is a real number lying on the interval [-2,2].  Indeed, this interval is the line segment traced out (pardon the pun) by the Tusi couple!  

So, it&#039;s only the truly &#039;complex&#039; representations where the traces give a pretty picture, and---translating notations---the only compact simple Lie groups with representations of this sort are SU(n) for n &gt; 2, Spin(4n+2) for n &gt; 1, E&lt;sub&gt;6&lt;/sub&gt;.  

That&#039;s why we see SU(6), Spin(14) and E&lt;sub&gt;6&lt;/sub&gt; in the pictures above, but not Spin(12) or G&lt;sub&gt;2&lt;/sub&gt; or F&lt;sub&gt;4&lt;/sub&gt; or E&lt;sub&gt;7&lt;/sub&gt; or E&lt;sub&gt;8&lt;/sub&gt;.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know what you&#8217;re asking:</p>
<p>&#8220;What about E<sub>7</sub> and E<sub>8</sub>?&#8221; </p>
<p>and </p>
<p>&#8220;Why did Kaiser draw pictures for Spin(4n+2) but not other spin groups?&#8221;</p>
<p> The answer can be found here:</p>
<p>&bull; John Baez, <a href="http://arxiv.org/abs/1101.5690" rel="nofollow">Division algebras and quantum theory</a>.</p>
<p>The author here recalls that every irreducible representation of a group is either &#8216;real&#8217;, &#8216;complex&#8217; or &#8216;quaternionic&#8217; in a certain sense: this is Dyson&#8217;s &#8216;three-fold way&#8217;.  And he writes:</p>
<blockquote><p> SU(2) is not the only compact Lie group with the property that all its irreducible continuous unitary representations on complex Hilbert spaces are real or quaternionic. For a group to have this property, it is necessary and sufficient that every element be conjugate to its inverse. All compact simple Lie groups have this property except those of type A<sub>n</sub> for n &gt; 1, D<sub>n</sub> with n odd, and E<sub>6</sub> (see Bourbaki [20]).
</p></blockquote>
<p>If a representation of a Lie group is &#8216;real&#8217;, the trace of any group element in that representation is a real number, so we don&#8217;t get a pretty picture of the set of allowed traces: it&#8217;s just some interval in the real line.  </p>
<p>If it&#8217;s &#8216;quaternionic&#8217; I bet the trace of any group element is again real.  I don&#8217;t see why right off the bat, but I know an example.  The spin-1/2 representation of SU(2) is &#8216;quaternionic&#8217;, and the trace of an SU(2) element in this representation is a real number lying on the interval [-2,2].  Indeed, this interval is the line segment traced out (pardon the pun) by the Tusi couple!  </p>
<p>So, it&#8217;s only the truly &#8216;complex&#8217; representations where the traces give a pretty picture, and&#8212;translating notations&#8212;the only compact simple Lie groups with representations of this sort are SU(n) for n &gt; 2, Spin(4n+2) for n &gt; 1, E<sub>6</sub>.  </p>
<p>That&#8217;s why we see SU(6), Spin(14) and E<sub>6</sub> in the pictures above, but not Spin(12) or G<sub>2</sub> or F<sub>4</sub> or E<sub>7</sub> or E<sub>8</sub>.</p>
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		<title>By: John Baez</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Sep 2012 22:42:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great!  Unfortunately (from the viewpoint of a mathematician trying to publish another paper), Kaiser has already worked out the connection between hypocycloids and the traces of matrices in SU(n):

&lt;div align=&quot;center&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://arxiv.org/abs/math-ph/0609082&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;img width=&quot;350&quot; src=&quot;http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/mathematical/SU(6)_trace_figure_kaiser.png&quot; /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;
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Fortunately (from the viewpoint of someone just wanting the truth to be known), he seems to have gone further and done traces of all the compact simply-connected Lie groups in certain famous irreps (though not &lt;i&gt;all&lt;/i&gt; irreps).  It&#039;s neat how the traces of Spin(4n+2) elements in the spinor rep lie in a curve a bit like an astroid, but which gets skinnier and skinnier as n increases:

&lt;div align=&quot;center&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://arxiv.org/abs/math-ph/0609082&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;img width=&quot;350&quot; src=&quot;http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/mathematical/Spin(14)_trace_figure_kaiser.png&quot; /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;
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It&#039;s also neat how E&lt;sub&gt;6&lt;/sub&gt; in one of its two complex 27-dimensional reps gives traces lying in a curve a bit like a deltoid, but skinnier:

&lt;div align=&quot;center&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://arxiv.org/abs/math-ph/0609082&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;img width=&quot;350&quot; src=&quot;http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/mathematical/E6_trace_figure_kaiser.png&quot; /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great!  Unfortunately (from the viewpoint of a mathematician trying to publish another paper), Kaiser has already worked out the connection between hypocycloids and the traces of matrices in SU(n):</p>
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<p>Fortunately (from the viewpoint of someone just wanting the truth to be known), he seems to have gone further and done traces of all the compact simply-connected Lie groups in certain famous irreps (though not <i>all</i> irreps).  It&#8217;s neat how the traces of Spin(4n+2) elements in the spinor rep lie in a curve a bit like an astroid, but which gets skinnier and skinnier as n increases:</p>
<div align="center"><a href="http://arxiv.org/abs/math-ph/0609082" rel="nofollow"><img width="350" src="http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/mathematical/Spin(14)_trace_figure_kaiser.png" /></a>
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<p>It&#8217;s also neat how E<sub>6</sub> in one of its two complex 27-dimensional reps gives traces lying in a curve a bit like a deltoid, but skinnier:</p>
<div align="center"><a href="http://arxiv.org/abs/math-ph/0609082" rel="nofollow"><img width="350" src="http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/mathematical/E6_trace_figure_kaiser.png" /></a>
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		<title>By: Greg Egan</title>
		<link>http://johncarlosbaez.wordpress.com/2012/09/11/rolling-circles-and-balls-part-3/#comment-20367</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Egan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Sep 2012 10:22:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I just found a paper that deals with the SU(n) traces, and some generalisations!  I&#039;ll give the link and abstract rather than trying to summarise:

&#8226; N. Kaiser, &lt;a href=&quot;http://arxiv.org/abs/math-ph/0609082&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Mean eigenvalues for simple, simply connected, compact Lie groups&lt;/a&gt;, 28 September 2006.

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&lt;b&gt;Abstract:&lt;/b&gt; We determine for each of the simple, simply connected, compact and complex Lie groups SU(n), Spin(4n+2) and E&lt;sub&gt;6&lt;/sub&gt; that particular region inside the unit disk in the complex plane which is filled by their mean eigenvalues. We give analytical parameterizations for the boundary curves of these so-called trace figures. The area enclosed by a trace figure turns out to be a rational multiple of $\pi$ in each case. We calculate also the length of the boundary curve and determine the radius of the largest circle that is contained in a trace figure. The discrete center of the corresponding compact complex Lie group shows up prominently in the form of cusp points of the trace figure placed symmetrically on the unit circle. For the exceptional Lie groups G&lt;sub&gt;2&lt;/sub&gt;, F&lt;sub&gt;4&lt;/sub&gt; and E&lt;sub&gt;8&lt;/sub&gt; with trivial center we determine the (negative) lower bound on their mean eigenvalues lying within the real interval [-1,1]. We find the rational boundary values -2/7, -3/13 and -1/31 for G&lt;sub&gt;2&lt;/sub&gt;, F&lt;sub&gt;4&lt;/sub&gt; and E&lt;sub&gt;8&lt;/sub&gt; respectively.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just found a paper that deals with the SU(n) traces, and some generalisations!  I&#8217;ll give the link and abstract rather than trying to summarise:</p>
<p>&bull; N. Kaiser, <a href="http://arxiv.org/abs/math-ph/0609082" rel="nofollow">Mean eigenvalues for simple, simply connected, compact Lie groups</a>, 28 September 2006.</p>
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<b>Abstract:</b> We determine for each of the simple, simply connected, compact and complex Lie groups SU(n), Spin(4n+2) and E<sub>6</sub> that particular region inside the unit disk in the complex plane which is filled by their mean eigenvalues. We give analytical parameterizations for the boundary curves of these so-called trace figures. The area enclosed by a trace figure turns out to be a rational multiple of $\pi$ in each case. We calculate also the length of the boundary curve and determine the radius of the largest circle that is contained in a trace figure. The discrete center of the corresponding compact complex Lie group shows up prominently in the form of cusp points of the trace figure placed symmetrically on the unit circle. For the exceptional Lie groups G<sub>2</sub>, F<sub>4</sub> and E<sub>8</sub> with trivial center we determine the (negative) lower bound on their mean eigenvalues lying within the real interval [-1,1]. We find the rational boundary values -2/7, -3/13 and -1/31 for G<sub>2</sub>, F<sub>4</sub> and E<sub>8</sub> respectively.
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		<title>By: John Baez</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John Baez]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Sep 2012 01:13:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That&#039;s slick.  Technically you&#039;re using this famous result: if you have a map from the disk to itself that maps the boundary to the boundary in a way that has winding number 1, it has to map the disk &lt;i&gt;onto&lt;/i&gt; the disk.  You&#039;re using it in the case where &#039;the disk&#039; is actually two different disks: 1) the region of the plane whose boundary is the hypocycloid, and 2) the disk in SU(n) formed by taking a loop of SU(n) elements whose traces are the border of the hypocycloid, and continuously contracting it to a point.

This famous result is usually stated in this form: &quot;there&#039;s no retraction of the disk onto its boundary&quot;.  And the usual proof uses a bit of algebraic topology, though Milnor found one using calculus.

This famous result is often &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brouwer_fixed-point_theorem#A_proof_using_homology&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;used as a lemma&lt;/a&gt; to prove Brower&#039;s fixed point theorem.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s slick.  Technically you&#8217;re using this famous result: if you have a map from the disk to itself that maps the boundary to the boundary in a way that has winding number 1, it has to map the disk <i>onto</i> the disk.  You&#8217;re using it in the case where &#8216;the disk&#8217; is actually two different disks: 1) the region of the plane whose boundary is the hypocycloid, and 2) the disk in SU(n) formed by taking a loop of SU(n) elements whose traces are the border of the hypocycloid, and continuously contracting it to a point.</p>
<p>This famous result is usually stated in this form: &#8220;there&#8217;s no retraction of the disk onto its boundary&#8221;.  And the usual proof uses a bit of algebraic topology, though Milnor found one using calculus.</p>
<p>This famous result is often <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brouwer_fixed-point_theorem#A_proof_using_homology" rel="nofollow">used as a lemma</a> to prove Brower&#8217;s fixed point theorem.</p>
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		<title>By: John Baez</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John Baez]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Sep 2012 00:35:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[These proofs concerning hypocycloids and traces of elements of SU(n) are great!  I&#039;ve been too busy with the beginning of classes to join in, but I&#039;ll try to find out if these results are known.  If not, they should be published.  I&#039;m sorry the connection to caustics fizzles out after SU(3) and SU(4)... I&#039;m itching to write a paper entitled &#039;Caustic remarks&#039;, and I think just that contribution alone---the title---would justify me being a coauthor.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These proofs concerning hypocycloids and traces of elements of SU(n) are great!  I&#8217;ve been too busy with the beginning of classes to join in, but I&#8217;ll try to find out if these results are known.  If not, they should be published.  I&#8217;m sorry the connection to caustics fizzles out after SU(3) and SU(4)&#8230; I&#8217;m itching to write a paper entitled &#8216;Caustic remarks&#8217;, and I think just that contribution alone&#8212;the title&#8212;would justify me being a coauthor.</p>
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