Last time I promised to show you how the problem of a little ball rolling on a big stationary ball can be described using an 8-dimensional number system called the split octonions… *if the big ball has a radius that’s 3 times the radius of the little one!*

So, let’s get started.

First, I must admit that I lied.

Lying is an important pedagogical technique. The teacher simplifies the situation, so the student doesn’t get distracted by technicalities. Then later—and this is crucial!—the teacher admits that certain statements weren’t really true, and corrects them. It always makes me uncomfortable to do this. But it works better than dumping all the technical details on the students right away. In classes, I sometimes deal with my discomfort by *telling* the students: “Okay, now I’m going to lie a bit…”

What was my lie? Instead of an ordinary ball rolling on another ordinary ball, we need a ‘spinorial’ ball rolling on a ‘projective’ ball.

Let me explain that.

### A spinorial ball

In physics, a spinor is a kind of particle that you need to turn around *twice* before it comes back to the way it was. Examples include electrons and protons.

If you give one of these particles a full 360° turn, which you can do using a magnetic field, it changes in a very subtle way. You can only detect this change using clever tricks. For example, take a polarized beam of electrons and send it through a barrier with two slits cut out. Each electron goes through *both* slits, because it’s a wave as well as a particle. Next, put a magnetic field next to one slit that’s precisely strong enough to rotate the electron by 360° if it goes through that slit. Then, make the beams recombine, and see how likely it is for electrons to be found at different locations. You’ll get different results than if you turn off the magnetic field that rotates the electron!

However, if you rotate a spinor by 720°—that is, *two* full turns—it comes back to exactly the way it was.

This may seem very odd, but when you understand the math of spinors you see it all makes sense. It’s a great example of how you have to follow the math where it leads you. If something is mathematically allowed, nature may take advantage of that possibility, regardless of whether it seems odd to you.

So, I hope you can imagine a ‘spinorial’ ball, which changes subtly when you turn it 360° around any axis, but comes back to its original orientation when you turn it around 720°. If you can’t, I’ll present the math more rigorously later on. That may or may not help.

### A projective ball

What’s a ‘projective’ ball? It’s a ball whose surface is not a sphere, but a projective plane. A projective plane is a sphere that’s been modified so that diametrically opposite points count as the same point. The north pole is the same as the south pole, and so on!

In geography, the point diametrically opposite to some point on the Earth’s surface is called its **antipodes**, so let’s use that term. There’s a website that lets you find the antipodes of any place on Earth. Unfortunately the antipodes of most famous places are under water! But the antipodes of Madrid is in New Zealand, near Wellington:

When we roll a little ball on a big ‘projective’ ball, when the little ball reaches the antipodes of where it started, it counts as being back to its original location.

If you find this hard to visualize, imagine rolling *two indistinguishable* little balls on the big ball, that are always diametrically opposite each other. When one little ball rolls to the antipodes of where it started, the other one has taken its place, and the situation looks just like when you started!

### A spinorial ball on a projective ball

Now let’s combine these ideas. Imagine a little spinorial ball rolling on a big projective ball. You need to turn the spinorial ball around *twice* to make it come back to its original orientation. But you only need to roll it *halfway* around the projective ball for it to come back to its original location.

These effects compensate for each other to some extent. The first makes it twice as hard to get back to where you started. The second makes it twice as easy!

But something really great happens when the big ball is 3 times as big as the little one. And *that’s* what I want you to understand.

For starters, consider an ordinary ball rolling on another ordinary ball that’s the same size. How many times does the rolling ball turn as it makes a round trip around the stationary one? If you watch this you can see the answer:

Follow the line drawn on the little ball. It turns around not once, but *twice!*

Next, consider one ball rolling on another whose radius is 2 times as big. How many times does the rolling ball turn as it makes a round trip?

It turns around 3 times.

And this pattern continues! I don’t have animations proving it, so either take my word for it, read our paper, or show it yourself.

In particular, a ball rolling on a ball whose radius is 3 times as big will turn 4 times as it makes a round trip.

So, *by the time the little ball rolls halfway around the big one, it will have turned around twice!*

But now suppose it’s a spinorial ball rolling on a projective plane. This is perfect. Now when the little ball goes halfway around big ball, it returns to its original location! And turning around the little ball twice gets it back to its original orientation!

So, there is something very neat about a spinorial ball rolling on a projective ball whose radius is exactly 3 times as big. And this is just the start. Now the split octonions get involved!

### The rolling ball geometry

The key is to ponder a curious sort of geometry, which I’ll call the **rolling ball geometry**. This has ‘points’ and ‘lines’ which are defined in a funny way.

A **point** is any way a little spinorial ball can touch a projective ball that is 3 times as big. The lines are certain sets of points. A **line** consists of all the points we reach as the little ball rolls along some great circle on the big one, without slipping or twisting.

Of course these aren’t ‘points’ and ‘lines’ in the usual sense. But ever since the late 1800s, when mathematicians got excited about projective geometry—which is the geometry of the projective plane—we’ve enjoyed studying all sorts of strange variations on Euclidean geometry, with weirdly defined ‘points’ and ‘lines’. The rolling ball geometry fits very nicely into this tradition.

But the amazing thing is that we can describe points and lines of the rolling ball geometry in a completely different way, using the split octonions.

### Split octonions

How does it work? As I said last time, the split octonions are an 8-dimensional number system. We build them as follows. We start with the ordinary real numbers. Then we throw in 3 square roots of -1, called and , obeying

At this point we have a famous 4-dimensional number system called the quaternions. Quaternions are numbers like

where are real numbers and are the square roots of -1 we just created.

To build the octonions, we would now throw in another square root of -1. But to build the split octonions, we instead throw in a square root of +1. Let’s call it The hard part is saying what rules it obeys when we start multiplying it with other numbers in our system.

For starters, we get three more numbers We decree these to be square roots of +1. But what happens when we multiply these with other things? For example, what is times and so on?

Since I don’t want to bore you, I’ll just get this over with quickly by showing you the multiplication table:

This says that (read down) times (read across) is and so on.

Of course, this table is completely indigestible. I could never remember it, and you shouldn’t try. This is *not* the good way to explain how to multiply split octonions! It’s the lazy way. To really work with the split octonions you need a more conceptual approach, which John Huerta and I explain in our paper. But this is just a quick tour… so, on with the tour!

A **split octonion** is any number like

where are real numbers. Since it takes 8 real numbers to specify a split octonion, we say they’re an 8-dimensional number system. But to describe the rolling ball geometry, we only need the **imaginary split octonions**, which are numbers like

The imaginary split octonions are 7-dimensional. 3 dimensions come from square roots of -1, while 4 come from square roots of 1.

We can use them to make up a far-out variant of special relativity: a universe with 3 time dimensions and 4 space dimensions! To do this, define the **length** of an imaginary split octonion to be the number with

This is a mutant version of the Pythagorean formula. The length is real, in fact positive, for split octonions that point in the space directions. But it’s *imaginary* for those that point in the time directions!

This should not sound weird if you know special relativity. In special relativity we have **spacelike** vectors, whose length squared is positive, and **timelike** ones, whose length squared is negative.

If you don’t know special relativity—well, now you see how revolutionary Einstein’s ideas really are.

We also have vectors whose length squared is zero! These are called **null**. They’re also called **lightlike**, because light rays point along null vectors. In other words: light moves just as far in the space directions as it does in the time direction, so it’s poised at the brink between being spacelike and timelike.

### The punchline

I’m sure you’re wondering where all this is going. Luckily, we’re there. We can describe the rolling ball geometry using the imaginary split octonions! Let me state it and then chat about it:

**Theorem.** There is a one-to-one correspondence between points in the rolling ball geometry and light rays through the point 0 in the imaginary split octonions. Under this correspondence, lines in the rolling ball geometry correspond to planes containing the point 0 in the imaginary split octonions with the property that whenever and lie in this plane, then

Even if you don’t get this, you can see it’s describing the rolling ball geometry in terms of stuff about the split octonions. An immediate consequence is that any symmetry of the split octonions is a symmetry of the rolling ball geometry.

The symmetries of the split octonions form a group called ‘the split form of G_{2}’. With more work, we can show the converse: any symmetry of the rolling ball geometry is a symmetry of the split octonions. So, the symmetry group of the rolling ball geometry is precisely the split form of G_{2}.

So what?

Well, G_{2} is an ‘exceptional group’—one of five groups that were discovered only when mathematicians like Killing and Cartan systematically started trying to classify groups in the late 1800s. The exceptional groups didn’t fit in the lists of groups mathematicians already knew.

If, as Tim Gowers has argued, some math is invented while some is discovered, the exceptional groups were discovered. Finding them was like going to the bottom of the ocean and finding weird creatures you never expected. These groups were—and are—hard to understand! They have dry, technical sounding names: E_{6}, E_{7}, E_{8}, F_{4}, and G_{2}. They’re important in string theory—but again, just because the structure of mathematics forces it, not because people wanted it.

The exceptional groups can all be described using the octonions, or split octonions. But the octonions are also rather hard to understand. The rolling ball geometry, on the other hand, is rather simple and easy to visualize. So, it’s a way of bringing some exotic mathematics a bit closer to ordinary life.

Well, okay—in ordinary life you’d probably never thought about a *spinorial* ball rolling on a *projective* ball. But still: spinors and projective planes are far less exotic than split octonions and exceptional Lie groups. Any mathematician worth their salt knows about spinors and projective planes. They’re things that make plenty of sense.

I think now is a good time for most of you nonmathematicians to stop reading. I’ll leave off with a New Year’s puzzle:

**Puzzle:** Relative to the fixed stars, how many times does the Earth turn around its axis in a year?

Bye! It was nice seeing you!

### The gory details

Still here? Cool. I want to wrap up by presenting the theorem in a more precise way, and then telling the detailed history of the rolling ball problem.

How can we specify a point in the rolling ball geometry? We need to say the location where the little ball touches the big ball, and we need to describe the ‘orientation’ of the little ball: that is, how it’s been rotated.

The point where the little ball touches the big one is just any point on the surface of the big ball. If the big ball were an ordinary ball this would be a point on the sphere, . But since it’s a *projective* ball, we need a point on the projective plane, .

To describe the orientation of the little ball we need to say how it’s been rotated from some standard orientation. If the little ball were an ordinary ball we’d need to give an element of the rotation group, But since it’s a *spinorial* ball we need an element of the double cover of the rotation group, namely the special unitary group

So, the space of points in the rolling ball geometry is

This makes it easy to see how the imaginary split octonions get into the game. For starters, is isomorphic to the group of unit quaternions. We can define the absolute values of quaternions in a way that copies the usual formula for complex numbers:

The great thing about the quaternions is that if we multiply two of them, their absolute values multiply. In other words, if and are two quaternions,

This implies that the quaternions with absolute value 1—the **unit quaternions**—are closed under multiplication. In fact, they form a group. And in fact, this group is just SU(2) in mild disguise!

The unit quaternions form a sphere. Not an ordinary ‘2-sphere’ of the sort we’ve been talking about so far, but a ‘3-sphere’ in the 4-dimensional space of quaternions. We call that

So, the space of points in the rolling ball is isomorphic to a projective plane times a 3-sphere:

But since the projective plane is the sphere with antipodal points counted as the same point, our space of points is

Here dividing or ‘modding out’ by that stuff on the bottom says that we count any point in as the same as

The cool part is that while is the unit quaternions, we can think of as the unit *imaginary* quaternions, where an **imaginary quaternion** is a number like

So, we’re describing a point in the rolling ball geometry using a unit quaternion and a unit imaginary quaternion. That’s cool. But we can improve this description a bit using a nonobvious fact:

There’s an extra minus sign here! Now we’re counting any point in as the same as In Proposition 2 in our paper we give an explicit formula for this isomorphism, which is important.

But never mind. Here’s the point of this improvement: we can now describe a point in the rolling ball geometry as a light ray through the origin in the imaginary split octonions! After all, any split octonion is of the form

where and are arbitrary quaternions. So, any *imaginary* split octonion is of the form

where is a quaternion and is an *imaginary* quaternion. This imaginary split octonion is lightlike if

But this just says

Given any light ray through the origin in the imaginary split octonions, it consists of all real multiples of some lightlike imaginary split octonion. So, we can describe it using a pair where is an imaginary quaternion and is a quaternion with the same absolute value as We can normalize them so they’re both unit quaternions… but and its negative still determine the same light ray.

So, the space of light rays through the origin in the imaginary split octonions is

But this is the space of points in the rolling ball geometry!

Yay!

So far nothing relies on knowing how to multiply imaginary split octonions: we only need the formula for their length, which is much simpler. It’s the *lines* in the rolling ball geometry that require multiplication. In our paper, we show in Theorem 5 that lines correspond to 2-dimensional subspaces of the imaginary split octonions with the property that whenever lie in the subspace, then In particular this implies that which turns out to say that is lightlike. So, these 2d subspaces consist of lightlike elements. But the property that whenever lie in the subspace is actually stronger! And this is how the full strength of the split octonions gets used.

One last comment. What if we hadn’t used a spinorial ball rolling on a projective ball? What if we had used an ordinary ball rolling on another ordinary ball? Then our space of points would be This is a lot like the space we’ve been looking at. The only difference is a slight change in where we put the minus sign:

But this space is *different* than We could go ahead and define lines and look for symmetries of this geometry, but we wouldn’t get G_{2}. We’d get a much smaller group. We’d also get a smaller symmetry group if we worked with but the big ball were anything other than 3 times the size of the small one. For proofs, see:

• Gil Bor and Richard Montgomery, G_{2} and the “rolling distribution”.

### The history

I will resist telling you how to use geometric quantization to get back from the rolling ball geometry to the split octonions. I will also resist telling you about ‘null triples’, which give specially nice bases for the split octonions. This is where John Huerta really pulled out all the stops and used his octonionic expertise to its full extent. For these things, you’ll just have to read our paper.

Instead, I want to tell you about the history of this problem. This part is mainly for math history buffs, so I’ll freely fling around jargon that I’d been suppressing up to now. This part is also where I give credit to all the great mathematicians who figured out most of the stuff I just explained! I won’t include references, except for papers that are free online. You can find them all in our paper.

On May 23, 1887, Wilhelm Killing wrote a letter to Friedrich Engel saying that he had found a 14-dimensional simple Lie algebra. This is now called because it’s the Lie algebra corresponding to the group G_{2}. By October he had completed classifying the simple Lie algebras, and in the next three years he published this work in a series of papers.

Besides the already known classical simple Lie algebras, he claimed to have found six ‘exceptional’ ones. In fact he only gave a rigorous construction of the smallest, Later, in his famous 1894 thesis, Élie Cartan constructed all of them and noticed that two of them were isomorphic, so that there are really only five.

But already in 1893, Cartan had published a note describing an open set in equipped with a 2-dimensional ‘distribution’—a smoothly varying field of 2d spaces of tangent vectors—for which the Lie algebra appears as the infinitesimal symmetries. In the same year, and actually in the same journal, Engel noticed the same thing.

In fact, this 2-dimensional distribution is closely related to the rolling ball problem. The point is that the space of configurations of the rolling ball is 5-dimensional, with a 2-dimensional distibution that describes motions of the ball where it rolls without slipping or twisting.

Both Cartan and Engel returned to this theme in later work. In particular, Engel discovered in 1900 that a generic antisymmetic trilinear form on is preserved by a group isomorphic to the complex form of G_{2}. Furthermore, starting from this 3-form he constructed a nondegenerate symmetric bilinear form on This implies that the complex form of G_{2}. is contained in a group isomorphic to . He also noticed that the vectors that are **null**—meaning where we write the bilinear form as a dot product—define a 5-dimensional projective variety on which G_{2} acts.

In fact, this variety is the complexification of the configuration space of a rolling fermionic ball on a projective plane! Futhermore, the space is best seen as the complexification of the space of imaginary octonions. Like the space of imaginary quaternions (better known as ), the 7-dimensional space of imaginary octonions comes with a dot product and cross product. Engel’s bilinear form on arises from complexifying the dot product. His antisymmetric trilinear form arises from the dot product together with the cross product via the formula

However, all this was seen only later! It was only in 1908 that Cartan mentioned that the automorphism group of the octonions is a 14-dimensional simple Lie group. Six years later he stated something he probably had known for some time: this group is the compact real form of G_{2}.

As I already mentioned, the octonions had been discovered long before: in fact the day after Christmas in 1843, by Hamilton’s friend John Graves. Two months before that, Hamilton had sent Graves a letter describing his dramatic discovery of the quaternions. This encouraged Graves to seek an even larger normed division algebra, and thus the octonions were born. Hamilton offered to publicize Graves’ work, but put it off or forgot until the young Arthur Cayley rediscovered the octonions in 1845. That this obscure algebra lay at the heart of *all* the exceptional Lie algebras and groups became clear only slowly. Cartan’s realization of its relation to and his later work on a symmetry called ‘triality’, was the first step.

In 1910, Cartan wrote a paper that studied 2-dimensional distributions in 5 dimensions. Generically such a distibution is not integrable: in other words, the Lie bracket of two vector fields lying in this distribution does not again lie in this distribution. However, it lies in a 3-dimensional distribution. The Lie bracket of vector fields lying in this 3-dimensional distibution then generically give arbitrary tangent vectors to the 5-dimensional manifold. Such a distribution is called a **(2,3,5) distribution**. Cartan worked out a complete system of local geometric invariants for these distributions. He showed that if all these invariants vanish, the infinitesimal symmetries of a (2,3,5) distribution in a neighborhood of a point form the Lie algebra

Again this is relevant to the rolling ball. The space of configurations of a ball rolling on a surface is 5-dimensional, and it comes equipped with a (2,3,5) distribution. The 2-dimensional distibution describes motions of the ball where it rolls without twisting or slipping. The 3-dimensional distribution describes motions where it can roll and twist, but not slip. Cartan did not discuss rolling balls, but he did consider a closely related example: curves of constant curvature 2 or 1/2 in the unit 3-sphere.

Beginning in the 1950’s, Francois Bruhat and Jacques Tits developed a very general approach to incidence geometry, eventually called the theory of ‘buildings’, which among other things gives a systematic approach to geometries having simple Lie groups as symmetries. In the case of G_{2}, because the Dynkin diagram of this group has two dots, the relevant geometry has two types of figure: points and lines. Moreover because the Coxeter group associated to this Dynkin diagram is the symmetry group of a hexagon, a generic pair of points and fits into a configuration like this, called an ‘apartment’:

There is no line containing a pair of points here except when a line is actually shown, and more generally there are no ‘shortcuts’ beyond what is shown. For example, we go from to by following just one line, but it takes two to get from to and three to get from to

Betty Salzberg wrote a nice introduction to these ideas in 1982. Among other things, she noted that the points and lines in the incidence geometry of the split real form of G_{2} correspond to 1- and 2-dimensional null subalgebras of the imaginary split octonions. This was shown by Tits in 1955.

In 1993, Bryant and Hsu gave a detailed treatment of curves in manifolds equipped with 2-dimensional distributions, greatly extending the work of Cartan:

• Robert Bryant and Lucas Hsu, Rigidity of integral curves of rank 2 distributions.

They showed how the space of configurations of one surface rolling on another fits into this framework. However, Igor Zelenko may have been the first to explicitly mention a ball rolling on another ball in this context, and to note that something special happens when their ratio of radii is 3 or 1/3. In a 2005 paper, he considered an invariant of (2,3,5) distributions. He calculated it for the distribution arising from a ball rolling on a larger ball and showed it equals zero in these two cases.

(In our paper, John Huerta and I assume that the rolling ball is *smaller* than the fixed one, simply to eliminate one of these cases and focus on the case where the fixed ball is 3 times as big.)

In 2006, Bor and Montgomery's paper put many of the pieces together. They studied the (2,3,5) distribution on coming from a ball of radius 1 rolling on a ball of radius R, and proved a theorem which they credit to Robert Bryant. First, passing to the double cover, they showed the corresponding distribution on has a symmetry group whose identity component contains the split real form of G_{2} when R = 3 or 1/3. Second, they showed this action does not descend to original rolling ball configuration space Third, they showed that for any other value of R except R = 1, the symmetry group is isomorphic to They also wrote:

Despite all our efforts, the ‘3’ of the ratio 1:3 remains mysterious. In this article it simply arises out of the structure constants for G

_{2}and appears in the construction of the embedding of into Algebraically speaking, this ‘3’ traces back to the 3 edges in 's Dynkin diagram and the consequent relative positions of the long and short roots in the root diagram for which the Dynkin diagram is encoding.

Open problem.Find a geometric or dynamical interpretation for the ‘3’ of the 3:1 ratio.

As you can see from what I’ve said, John Huerta and I have offered a solution to this puzzle: the ‘3’ comes from the fact that a ball rolling once around a ball 3 times as big turns around exactly 4 times—just what you need to get a relationship to a spinorial ball rolling on a projective plane, and thus the lightcone in the split octonions! The most precise statement of this explanation comes in Theorem 3 of our paper.

While Bor and Montgomery’s paper goes into considerable detail about the connection with split octonions, most of their work uses the now standard technology of semisimple Lie algebras: roots, weights and the like. In 2006, Sagerschnig described the incidence geometry of using the split octonions, and in 2008, Agrachev wrote a paper entitled ‘Rolling balls and octonions’. He emphasizes that the double cover can be identified with the double cover of , the projectivization of the set of null vectors in the imaginary split octonions. He then shows that given a point the set of points connected to by a single roll is the annihilator

where is the space of imaginary split octonions.

This sketch of the history is incomplete in many ways. As usual, history resembles a fractal: the more closely you study it, the more details you see! If you want to dig deeper, I strongly recommend these:

• Ilka Agricola, Old and new on the the exceptional group G_{2}.

• Robert Bryant, Élie Cartan and geometric duality.

This paper is also very helpful and fun:

• Aroldo Kaplan, Quaternions and octonions in mechanics.

It emphasizes the role that quaternions play in describing rotations, and the way an imaginary split octonion is built from an imaginary quaternion and a quaternion. And don’t forget this:

• Andrei Agrachev, Rolling balls and octonions.

Have fun!

This was great fun, thanks! It makes me want to read the paper when I have time — I get the feeling that it’s just the kind of warm-up needed for a non-specialist to find the paper itself less daunting.

Minor typo: I think you meant SO(3) not SO(2), in “If the little ball were an ordinary ball we’d need to give an element of the rotation group, SO(2)”.

I’ll fix that typo—thanks.

I don’t think you’ll find this paper daunting. In fact, I think you’d be the perfect sort of reader for it. It’s mainly an elaborate game with 3d and 4d geometry: quaternions, S

^{2}, S^{3}, SO(3) and SU(2). Everything involving split octonions is done by treating them as pairs of quaternions. Some of the calculations are a bit detailed, but you’re better at that kind of thing than I am. There aren’t many high-flown abstractions of the sort I excel in, except perhaps in the two sections on geometric quantization, which one can skip. The section on null triples can also be skipped, but it’s a tour de force in octonionic math by John Huerta which to my mind is the most original thing in the whole paper.Here’s another little jewel, probably discovered by Jacques Tits. Like the space of imaginary quaternions, better known as , the space of imaginary split octonions, is equipped with a dot product and a cross product. But the dot product isn’t positive definite. As I explained here, each point in the rolling ball geometry corresponds to a light ray through the origin in . We can always write this ray as the set of all real multiples of some with

In Euclidean geometry any two points lie on a line. In the rolling ball geometry you may need to go along as many as three lines, one after the other, to get from one point to another. And this has a nice description in terms of imaginary split octonions! Given two points and in the rolling ball geometry:

1. We can get from to by moving along a single line iff

2. We can get from and by moving along two lines iff

3. We can always get from and by moving along three lines.

(It is a rather weird feature of lightlike imaginary split octonions that implies )

“First, I must admit that I lied.”

I knew that!

Yes, great fun, even when it got overwhelming. :-)

Thanks! At least I’m an honest liar.

People probably already know this, but “honest liar” is one of the slang terms for a magician, which seems a fitting description of the Wizard. (I’m at least aware of it from James Randi, although the interpretation is slightly different: a magician is an honest liar in that he admits he’s deceiving you for entertainment purposes, as opposed to people like mediums who claim they’re totally honest.)

I hadn’t known that! I deceive for educational rather than entertainment purposes, but there’s actually a big overlap between education and entertainment, especially in posts like this one: it’s not as if most of you

needto know about rolling balls and split octonions, so reading about the connection between them is a bit like watching a magician pull a rabbit out the hat. But in my case, ideally, you’d completely understand how the trick is done yet still be amazed by it!So what does the subspace of null directions in the projective space of the imaginary split octonions look like? Anything interesting? (I only skimmed through, you might have mentioned this)

I said we get this space by taking and then identifying each point with the point That’s probably the most ‘concrete’ description.

It’s a general thing. Start with equipped with a quadratic form of signature Take the cone of null vectors and projectivize it. You get with each point identified with the point The proof is just like the argument I gave in the special case here.

Very nice article!

Is there any hope of ever seeing a rolling ball geometry associated to any of the other exceptional Lie algebras?

Thanks! I have no such hope myself. For one thing, G

_{2}is fundamentally different than the other four exceptional Lie groups. G_{2}is the subgroup of Spin(8) that fixes a vector in each of its three 8-dimensional irreducible representations; this winds up meaning that the 5-dimensional Grassmannian for G_{2}—the space of points in the rolling ball geometry I’m talking about here—is also a Grassmannian for Spin(8). That underlies everything that goes on here.On the other hand, F

_{4}, E_{6}, E_{7}and E_{8}fit together as a row of the ‘magic square’. They’re the symmetry groups of certain Riemannian manifolds of dimensions 16, 32, 64 and 128, respectively. The first two of these are projective planes in the usual axiomatic sense, while the other two are ‘like’ projective planes in some mysterious sense that needs to be understood. That’s where I’d go to understand these Lie groups better. But the only person I can imagine working on this with is John Huerta, and I don’t think either of us should spend our time this way!Very nice article indeed. Is there any relation to projective octonionic line ?

Just a nitpick – it’s Ilka Agricola not Ilke.

Thanks, I’ll fix that typo. Agricola’s article was very important to me, since that’s where I learned that the Grassmannians for the split real form of G

_{2}were the 1d null subspaces and 2d null subalgebras of the split octonions. I knew these should be the points and lines of some rolling ball geometry….The relation between the rolling ball geometry and seems to be indirect.

The 8-dimensional manifold is the space of light rays through the origin in a 10-dimensional spacetime with 1 time and 9 space dimensions. So, it’s a homogeneous space for SO(9,1). Thanks to the 10 dimensions, I expect a lot of connections to string theory, though I only know a few.

The 5-dimensional manifold I’m calling in this article—the space of ways a spinorial ball can touch a projective ball with radius 3 times as big—is the space of light rays through the origin in a 7-dimensional spacetime with 3 time and 4 space dimensions. So, it’s a homogeneous space of SO(4,3)… but also of the split real form of the exceptional group G

_{2}.Probably the best hope of relating them is fitting both of them in some larger context. Both SO(9,1) and the

compactform of G_{2}fit very nicely in a certain real form of E_{6}, since the latter is the group of line-preserving transformations of the octonionic projective plane, So, it seems that SO(9,1) and thesplitform of G_{2}should fit in thecomplexform of E_{6}. This complex form is the group of all line-preserving transformations of the complexified octonionic projective plane, So, I’d look here for answers.Thanks for the posting. You mention “imagine a ‘spinorial’ ball having to turn 720°” – A collection of videos of an animation of a large ball “shell”, just inside another “shell” slightly larger are at http://www.animatedphysics.com/videos/larmorfrequency.htm. The independent spin axis of the two shells in the double shell means it is ‘upside down’ after 360°. I try to demonstrate rotation of an axis, independent of the rotation of the object, hard to do.

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